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Dear douchebags in LFR [Jan. 24th, 2013|12:59 am]
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[daphhime]
(Fair warning, there's some language in this...)

I'm talking to you Uglyknight Stormreaver, and your buddies/alts Fatejr and Fear Malfurion.

We already kicked one of your buddies on the second boss in Heart of Fear for pulling this shit. Life Gripping people into bad and in Uglyknights case being a intentionally shit tank. I particularly loved it when you thought I was special enough to get the Leap of Faith treatment on the last boss by pulling me under him after I called you out on it. I was hoping we'd wipe so we could kick your stupid asses and display the one ounce of power Blizz gives us against this bullshit. But sadly we downed him and there was not a rez to be had. You had won, you got your rocks off or whatever stupid shit pleasure you guys get.

I give you a warning, if you see these chuckle heads, get out. Fast.

Also dear Blizz:

Get rid of Leap of Faith. Please. I've yet to see it being used in raids for it's intended perpous. The less tools these assholes have in their greifing arsenal the better.
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[User Picture]From: arcaneja
2013-01-24 07:53 am (UTC)

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The major problem I had with Leap of Faith is that it is almost impossible to use for the intended purpose, since it doesn't work in any instance with elevation issues. (See especially: getting onto platforms on Heroic Nef.)

The best PvE scenario I ever had involved Leaping people through Al'akir's shitty beams, or "catching" a magma trap blower-upper on H. Raggie before they went splat, I believe. In all of Cataclysm. It is like they put in the mechanic and then deliberately designed NO FIGHTS to use it in at all. So Priests get bored and then stir shit with it.

Unfortunately, removing the mechanic (which, in theory, is awesome) is not going to stop jerks from... well, being jerks.
[User Picture]From: green_glee
2013-01-24 12:06 pm (UTC)

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There is some use on Nef if you have the right raiders - I had to grip our hunter a few times because he had the habit of swimming too far out in the lava, haha. I was asked to grip on Maloriak too, so the kiting tank would get some breathing room and of course the flamelaserthingie target on Atramedes.
Then there's Spine, where I had to grip people into the sticky holes. I gripped people on H Zonozz after they ran out to get their debuff dispelled if the orb was coming. I gripped people into the void on Blackhorn if they knew they wouldn't make it.
And I exercised futility on Alizabal by sometimes gripping people that got the debuff and ran out back into the group. They ran out again and died, but you can't say I didn't try!

Of course it's not required to use in any of these fights and very situational, but I don't think Leap was ever intended to be more since they don't want to design fights around a single class ability.
[User Picture]From: suitablyemoname
2013-01-24 01:32 pm (UTC)

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I've used it quite often. (And never for anything more nefarious than fucking with people.)

Good uses:
- In Scarlet Monastery, yoinking a hunter or mage to the group and away from a patrol who's about to come into range.
- In Vortex Pinnacle, pulling people out of all the things. (Forgot to move the dragon out of its healy-circle? Yoink. Forgetting to pull the Temple Adept trash mobs out of their anti-magic field? Yoink. Not going to make it into Asaad's triangle in time? Yoink.)
- Helping with all manner of elevator-related drama. (Missed it by this much? No you didn't: yoink.)
- Pulling stunned (and some rooted) players out of bad. (Really only practical on 5-toon dungeons: you probably don't have enough of an attention span to monitor the stun status of 24 of your closest friends.)
- Getting that one asshole who doesn't know the fight away from Flanking Orders or off of Elegon's floor right before it despawns.
- Making the job of a flag carrier significantly easier (especially if they've got someone riiiight on their tail.)
- Saving the life of the clothie DPS who doesn't have enough sense to take their adds to the tank, rather than fighting them on the spot.
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[User Picture]From: daphhime
2013-01-24 03:11 pm (UTC)

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Didn't say it would stop them from being jerks, just one less tool in their arsenal. These assholes wiped nearly half the raid pulling this crap.

I have a priest and I rarely even use Leap of Faith. If you're dumb enough to stand in bad then you deserve the consequences. I know that's a bit harsh but I'd much rather focus on my main job of healing.
[User Picture]From: magney
2013-01-24 10:37 am (UTC)

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I have seen Leap of Faith used for something approaching good rather than evil - namely, to yoink people inside the gates of a boss arena before the tanks' ADD gets the best of them.

But even that is of marginal benefit, of course - if someone is so inattentive that they can't be arsed to limp a few yards in when the raid is clearly getting ready to engage a boss, how much attention are they likely to be paying when the encounter starts?

Blizzard has very nearly gotten out of the habit of building encounters around a single class ability, so we can expect never to see fights that require Leap of Faith. As such, I would not greatly mourn its passing.
[User Picture]From: kaelstra
2013-01-24 03:47 pm (UTC)

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I yank people out of the fire all the time on stuff. Or, as the case may be, into the group where they should be standing to avoid taking massive damage, etc.
[User Picture]From: justdbear
2013-01-24 03:53 pm (UTC)

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I hate being yanked around by it when there is no reason, but OMG if I am being chased by a mob with a really bad buff and my legs cannot carry me fast enough, I LOVE it.

I think it's all about the priests behind the keyboard on if it's a good skill or not. I can troll melee by throwing a bubble on them. I think lots of classes can troll others if we want. Leap of faith is just a lot more shocking when it's used to troll.
[User Picture]From: hooves
2013-01-24 07:25 pm (UTC)

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YOINK. :D
[User Picture]From: jestana
2013-01-24 04:17 pm (UTC)

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When I did heroic Deadmines, one of the DPS (or maybe the tank) missed the rope and fell down to the next level. We had a priest healer and he used Leap of Faith to get the tank back up to the top before we engaged Vanessa again.

But then, a former guildie of mine (he's stopped playing since then) liked to use Leap of Faith on his friends just to mess with us, but it was never something like what you've described.
[User Picture]From: regen
2013-01-24 06:02 pm (UTC)

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I've rarely seen Leap of Faith used to successfully save someone. I know my boyfriend (a priest) tries to use it when DPS stand in bad (or in Elegon's case, forget and stand on nothing during P2) but the timing is usually too close to make a real difference. Although the one time he tried to grip a melee DPS during the Elegon fight and he ended up falling though the floor himself. That was good for a chuckle and was well-worth the wipe.

I'm leveling my own priest and the odd time I've used it to pull a DPS out of harm's way, they got snappy about it because I'll admit it can be a bit disorienting to suddenly be yards away from where you were. I guess I could just let them stand in the void zone and die next time.
[User Picture]From: laudre
2013-01-24 06:34 pm (UTC)

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One day, a PvP-favoring priest in our guild is playing in a random Warsong Gulch. He's keeping the FC alive while most of the other players go off to kill the enemy FC.

Enemy FC goes down. Own FC stands there.

Priest: "Cap it!"
FC: "..."
Priest: "CAP IT!"
FC: "..."
Priest: *yoink* *cap*
[User Picture]From: hooves
2013-01-24 07:26 pm (UTC)

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oh hell yeah, that is handy.
[User Picture]From: sete_di_sangue
2013-01-25 12:57 am (UTC)

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I use it for good! Namely on any mechanic where we need to stack... if someone isn't getting in quick enough? YOINK (this was amazing on LFR red oozes back in Cata...). Or that jerk of a tank who tries to run away when I say OOM? YOINK.
[User Picture]From: regen
2013-01-25 01:46 am (UTC)

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Or that jerk of a tank who tries to run away when I say OOM? YOINK

I never thought of this, that's a really good idea! XD