What the heck? I've been seeing this off and on lately in dungeons, where a dps stops for any reason, and the group gets mad about it. Like, ONE dps stopping for a few seconds is not going to slow the entire group down in most situations, but damn if they don't get mad as hornets about it anyway.

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I've noticed a severe uptick in the number of "gogogogo" tanks. Like, it's a contest to see how fast you can do a dungeon. It's one thing if it's a low-level dungeon or even a challenge mode, but in current content heroics, it gets obnoxious at times. And some of those tanks have no business pulling huge trash packs.

Once, we had a tank in such a hurry in Shado Pan Monastery that he didn't realize we'd accidentally pulled a group so we spent the entire dungeon after the first boss in combat. I was healing and couldn't eat/drink and then at the very end, because we were still considered in combat, we couldn't loot the final boss. Fortunately, shamans are great when it comes to mana regen, plus being an alchemist and herber means I had some potions and mana spirits (or whatever those things are called).

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I actually had the opposite happen recently as well. We had a tank who kept wandering around and genuinely seemed like he was lost more than once the way he'd run to a corner and turn around and come back, etc. At one point, he did this, and ran right into a pack of mobs; paused, the turned around and seemed confused about why he had 4 guys beating on him.

While we were clearing, I said, "Hey, we don't need to go that way, we can just go this way."

I immediately got snapped at because he said he was trying to get more exp, and I went, "Oh, okay. Fine." And then had the rest of the DPS jump my shit for being a drama queen. I said I wasn't being dramatic, and got told I was being a "drama wh***" at which point I just said fuck it and left, because I don't really enjoy having slurs thrown at me just because I couldn't read the tank's mind.

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I was chain running five man regulars last weekend with some friends. We made up four out of the five people in the group, although one person wasn't from our guild or server. We were all in vent. Between the four of us, we had the tank and healer slots covered, so we were getting just random PUG dps.

We zone into a dungeon and the one person in our group who wasn't in our guild or server didn't realize the phased content she was doing was going to take so long, so when we all phased in, she wasn't in the dungeon and her character icon showed she was in a vehicle or phased or something.

No word of a lie, within five seconds of zoning in, the PUG dps put up a VTK with "not ready" or something like that. We just went "WTF?" and voted no and told him to keep his fucking pants on, she'd be done in under half a minute. She was also a DPS, so it's not like it was holding back the run.

He was a mouthy ass for the rest of the dungeon, but we just ignored him. Until he pulled a second pack of mobs when I was pulling them one by one. When he saw I wasn't going to pick them up off him, he popped bear, but oops... healer was in vent with us and stopped healing him and he died. Then he raged at us for intentionally not healing him and letting him die. I pointed out that he wouldn't have if he hadn't gone and pulled another pack when we were already working on one.

We cleared the last trash pack, then kicked him before the last boss.

I hate to sound like one of those "guild groups that are assholes to the lone pug" but FFS, that was the *ONLY* guy we had problems with. Five seconds into zoning in and he tries to kick someone??? GTFO of our run then and learn some patience. Our queues were under 20 seconds each time, play nice.

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No word of a lie, within five seconds of zoning in, the PUG dps put up a VTK with "not ready" or something like that.

Wow.

Yeah, my rule of thumb for people who aren't zoned into the instance is they have until the first boss to zone in and catch up. If they don't, then they can wait until the boss is dead to join in since you can't zone in mid-combat iirc. That's plenty of time to get in, and in most cases if they actually need to kill the first boss for loot/whatever they'll make an effort to be there in time.

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I've run into the same issue with zoning in and someone disconnects right away. I always give a minute or two before I start the VTK, yet I see people automatically put it up as soon as they zone in and see the disconnect image on the screen for someone. Sometimes zoning in causes a person to hiccup and disconnect, why be an ass and get rid of them right away? Give them a chance to see if it's a permanent thing or just a glitch. Ugh. I was cranky with that druid for most of the run, and it takes a lot to make me cranky in a run. Even when he pulled the second group, my first instinct was to sigh and go pick it all up and hope for the best. Then someone said to the healer to stop healing him, and I just pulled my pack away and let him have his little group (he was too dumb to drag them over to me where I was AoE tanking).

We swore he was going to pull the last boss and we had a VTK timer that we were waiting on, but we wanted it to hurry up before it was obvious we were waiting on it. Fortunately, we got rid of him in time and he actually didn't pull the boss on us. We were hanging back in case he did so he'd get locked in and we wouldn't.

But seriously. Ugh. We were chain-running dungeons like crazy and they were fast and painless every time. No one died, we were all doing a great job. A random DPS that gets into a group like that needs to just STFU and count their lucky stars or they're going to wind up back in the DPS queue for being a jerk to one of us.

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I don't get why tanks freak out about stuff like that. Sometimes DPS need to pause in dungeons, sometimes healers need to drink - whatever. In most cases the rest of the group can continue ahead, except in very rare cases where I see that being a bad thing (going into a boss fight that locks the door to the room, etc.).

As a personal example, I've been using the Divine Plea glyph on my paladin but just because I'm stopping to cast it, it doesn't mean I expect/want the group to stop and wait for me. Hell, I usually throw an EF or Sac on the tank so they can keep pulling without issue. XD

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That tank was totally a jerk.

Apropos of nothing, and I don't mean at all to dictate how to play your mage, but have you looked at Rune of Power? It's a talent that replaces Evocation with a buff you put on the ground and stand in. You have to renew it about once a minute, but as long as I remember to use it I pretty much never OOM. The glyph of Evocate means it will also regen health! It occurs to me that you may be leveling still, but if you can take it I recommend it very highly.

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I can't as I'm not level 90 yet (this was a normal Brewery run), but that is the talent I'm planning on taking when I do ding 90. :)

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Yeah, I was literally mid-comment when I went "well, maybe it wasn't heroic …" in which case that guy is even more of a jerk! But yay for shiny circles on the ground.

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I just switched to Arcane spec the other day to try it on for size, so I forgot the thing with paying attention to my mana.

What kind of arcane are you playing? :P

(How's my mana how's my mana jeez I need more mana I should do more for my mana I'm using too much mana mana mana mana mana...)

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